Nobel 1.0 quality

[Veloforge]

What’s the feedback on the Nobel 1? How’s it working for people? Our hub wants to purchase one, but we aren’t convinced of the quality.

[IDEA3DHeraklion]

Hello andrew
About nobel i would suggest you to check another SLA ,the reason is that until now i havent seen samples and be at least passable, the other reason the supported resins.is better to buy a form1 (yes i know is more expensive) but SLA is not FDM is messy and have to do with photometry. One last reason is that XYZware is probably very bad solution as a slicer for SLA ( lack of properties.

[erickphd]

Andrew: I recently purchased one of these units. The build quality of the hardware is very good but as mentioned their slicing software is very utilitarian and much like their FDM packages (slow for one problem). However, I’ve made 3 builds with it and two were exceptional and the third build failed due to an adhesion issue, but that wasn’t helped by the fact that I failed to fully tighten the platform mounting screw. Thankfully I caught that early. I also had a problem with the float which measures the resin level - the screws to fasten the assembly into the tank caused the plastic back to crack. I was able to repair this easily with acrylic glue. I decided to purchase a spare tank to be safe.

I have already seen two firmware updates; not sure what these may have helped, but at least they appear to be trying to improve it. Really it is a Form 1 design - the tank is tilted by a motor just the same and the build platform is leveled against the tank bottom with screws which are set . The tank uses PDMS instead of FEP tape on the bottom, so it appears that one could replace just that when it is worn out. I will be posting some pictures of builds from it soon.

[billcrab02]

I have 2 Nobel 1.0 and a Form 1+ for my own business, the print quality is almost the same, but the form 1+ software is much faster than Nobel. If you can endure a slow slicing speed, Nobel is not a bad choice, the price is unbeatable in SLA machine, I purchased 2 Nobel 1.0 for $999 each last Black Friday…If you don’t care about money, formlabs is definitely the best

[IDEA3DHeraklion]

In all the specs Nobel is bad, by the way i hope not to have in the future to have to deal with their warranty and support. about the quality i have seen noble prints and no they are no good at all except if you compare it with fdm printer but for SLA not at all , do the test with the 4 cubes in the corners of the plate an you will see that dimensional stability of Noble is bad.

[billcrab02]

I think it’s fine…attach is from Nobel 1.0. It may not as good as form 1+, but please don’t compare a SLA printer with a FDM printer, that is a mislead. For the specs, both Nobel 1.0 and Form 1+ claim they have 300micron in XY, but trust me, 300micron is much smaller than your imagine, no desktop printer can reach that resolution. Even for EnvisionTec, which they claim they have 50micron in XY. That is because the limitation of resin material, no matter how high resolution they claim, resin is the limitation

I have two Nobel 1.0, one Form 1+, one B9 and two EnvisionTec Micro, they are all resin based printer. For the print quality, EnvisionTec>B9>Form 1+>Nobel, for the price is 11k>4.5k>3.3k>1k. That is a trade off, if you really want some good samples and don’t care about price, EnvisionTec is your best choice. If you just want some parts less than 3% tolerance, all of them are good. The first thing I receive a printer is test tolerance, all of them less than 3%, and EnvisionTec is less than 1%

For customer support and warranty, trust me, EnvinsionTec is definitely the worst…Formlabs have the best software, it is easy and fast. Nobel software is slow as my grandpa, but their customer support is fine, I have a broken case when I receive Nobel, they ship me a new case with a bottle resin as gift after I complain to them. I don’t about B9 because I never have a problem with B9.

If you allow me to say which resin based printer is the BEST, I will strongly recommend B9. The print quality is pretty good, and the software/firmware/material are all open source, I can do modification as I want. Formlabs also allow you use other brand material, but they are not open source to SW/FW, means you can’t adjust printer based on your material

[3DCriar]

I have 2 Nobel 1.0 and have been using the printers for 9 months. The printer is really easy to operate and the quality is good. I render services for industrial designers, jewelry and fashion designers, engineers and now I’m testing several printings for dental applications. However, the best thing about XYZPrinting Nobel is the cost vs. benefit… You’ll not find a SLA printer with this quality for less than USD 3K (2x more than Nobel). The software is slow, but still viable if you compare the costs of resin and machinery.

[IDEA3DHeraklion]

I agree for B9 and EnvisionTec, no i dont compare SLA with FDM they are different technics , i agree with the quality goes as you show . how reacts in the resin a SLA printer has a lot to do with the light source . I have used and have samples of all of them if you want to see ,also from projet 1200 (that i find it very good in quality but very small build like envisiontec.

[williamzerx]

I have one in West Jordan. It is a good printer for small objects and files that do not exceed 200MB. Also, the resin bottles are RFID chipped, so using anything other then their resins will require trial and error and spoofing the RFID if you really want to get there. The Slicing software is problematic and really I bought the machine so I could tear it apart possible put in different controllers and get it into a more open mode. If you are planning to do large objects of more than 50grams or more you will need to modify a lot. Gravity and slippery build surface ends up dropping the parts into the Vat and they do not stick. I am working on modifying the build surfaces now.

[williamzerx]

I am working with nano material additives to absorb the UV laser better to help the resins cure more completely from XYZ as well. Also testing other resins in the XYZ.

[IDEA3DHeraklion]

The post is for the quality of the noble 1.0 but no photos ? ok is funny just try to show something passable from noble 1.0 and not only just promotion even in the shows xyz dont have samples of it

[billcrab02]

here, photos

[irinelticau]

dear sir i want to use nobel 1.0 for dental.crown and bridge.is ok to use this printer

best regards

[VoxelLab]

Report on the Nobel 1 SLA 3d printer from XYZprinter - post date 6/1/2016

Just received, setup and ran my first 3d print on the Nobel 1.0 from XYZprinter. Here are the specs on my first print and the results.

Started with my 3d model

SEE PIC “A”

Within XYZware software you first add supports to the model. I used the automatic mode and here are my settings

Density: low

Contact: small

Lift: yes

SEE PIC “B”

Next is the slicing setting.

Layer: Height 0.1mm

Material: Grey

Brim: Yes

SEE PIC “C”

The print was 2 hours long and did not turn out well. Some were in the middle the print the supports gave way and the model dangled from the top supports as it printed. The part was moving each time it contacted the tray plate. Resulting in a bad print. SEE PIC “D”. The part is distorted and 15% did not print.

The supports did hold for a while maybe 70%. That part of the print SEE PIC “D” is interesting. Look at the text it’s fairly clean however look at the edges very rough. That’s the layer, it’s as if the registration is not consistent.

As you know the print platform lowers into the resin tray. The laser cures a layer. Then the resign tray lowers on one side as the print platform raises. This action peals the part off the bottom of the resin tray and the whole cycle is repeated layer after layer.

The rough edges is a result of the resin tray and the print platform coming back together but not in the same place. The rough edges is the result of unregistered layers after layer.

So far I’m concerned about the registration. I will run more test to see if I can dial this in and report back as I go.

PROS: The boxing was good, very complete in parts tools and comes with bottle of clear resign. Build quality looks good from the outside. Easy setup of the hardware and software. Nice user interface. Good setup instruction videos.

CONS: After an hour of searching the web could not find a good forum for the Nobel 1. It’s as if the machine does not exist. Slicing really slow, no REALLY slow and I have a KILLER 12 core PC.

WISH LIST: The Nobel has a safety switch that prevents you from running a print without the lid on. Fine I get it’s safety first but how about a peep hole to monitor the print. Faster slicer.

Mick